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Joe the Magnificent

"The Bible doesn't have anything like that in there"? Have you forgotten the stories about Moses and Joshua, and the terrible massacres that they carried out in Midian and Canaan? Have you forgotten the commands to kill women and children? When I was a little boy they told me about what happened at Jericho, and I wondered why a loving God would command such an atrocity. The truth is, of course, that he didn't: men invented these supposedly divine commandments in order to control the behaviour of other men -- just like Muhammad did, much later. Muhammad's inventions are still capable of inspiring men to hate and to kill; but so are the inventions of Moses, without which there would be no state of Israel today. I think it horrible that these two long-dead hatemongers are still stirring up strife in the modern world.   Posted by Joe the Magnificent on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:39 AM [Reply to this]

	Moshellie Michelle J.	..To Ryder below: Not true. When is the last time you've seen a Buddhist or Taoist trying to 'convert'?   Posted by Moshellie on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:50 PM

	S♥Ryder	Muslims alive now seek to forcibly convert the entire world to islam. Sounds like Christianity! Well maybe not forcibly now, but it was in the past. They are still trying to convert. It's what every religious does.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 9:33 PM

	Sabrina Phillips	..Do you know what kind of people the Cananites were?   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:33 PM

	CONSERVATIVE HERO Conservative Hero	Muslims alive now seek to forcibly convert the entire world to islam. Unless you're a Midian or Canaanite alive many centuries ago your comments mean nothing.   Posted by CONSERVATIVE HERO on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 1:37 PM

	S♥Ryder	If you don't believe everything in the bible than it's questionable whether or not you are just a believer when it's convenient for you or whether you truly believe. It has nothing to do with convenience. Word written by man is flawed, plain and simple. I know how Jesus lived his life, and I strive to live my life in a way in which he would be proud. Am I perfect, no! But I recognize that, and don't put my judgments on others and they aren't perfect either. That's right ignorance will get ourselves killed. And spitting out hate, only creates more hate. It's a nasty circle, in which no one will benefit.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 7:51 PM [Reply to this]

	Hamish Hamish Stewart	Ryder you realy should think before you engage in debate, "In Turkey they are defacto "modern Islamic" ( state ?) due to their former leader Kemel Ataturk who abolished Islamic dress like the Turban and Burkah. That is not really a good example sinceTurkey resembles more a European nation than a Middle Eastern nation ?" Have you ever been to Turkey ? or Europe I suspect not otherwise you would not make that statement. Ataturk was able to make changes I will grant you that do you know why ? He kicked the shit out of us New Zealand and the Aussies at Gallipoli but the changes he made were cosmetic Turkey average 200 honour killings a year. Ever heard of honour suicides ? Why not go look it up guess they don't teach you that in Islamic Anthropology forced suicide is not murder therefore no pathetically short gaol tearm usually less than 2 years. Do you think that sounds like a modern European nation ? Now before you come back at me with another devastating reply like "grow up". Incidentally Ataturk created two other nations my own NZ and Australia. Thousands of Kiwi and Aussie diggers died to do that. While our troops fought in Europe in WWII thousands of Americans died defending those two young nations in the Pacific it is a debt we can never pay that is why we are fighting with you America in Afganistan. Hero gave you the figures 25% from memory of American Muslims support suicide bombing yet you keep preaching that we tolerate them in our communities   Posted by Hamish on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 9:21 PM

	S♥Ryder	yes but also they can put their own biases into the word   Posted by S♥Ryder on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 8:28 PM

	EurodanceAddict	S Ryder, "Word written by man is flawed, plain and simple." In this case the TRANSLATION Is what makes it flawed. Some words in one language cannot either be translated at ALL or cannot be translated as articulate due to the lack of available words from language to language.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:47 PM

	S♥Ryder	nd what happened to Benazir Bhutto? In Turkey, they are de facto "modern Islamic" due to their former leader Kemal Ataturk who abolished Islamic dress like the turban and burkah. That is not really a good example since Turkey resembles more a European nation than a Middle Eastern nation? The sexism in the Bible? Some of his disciples like St. Paul were indeed sexist, but they were letters not the word of Jesus, my opinion, and since the NT involved mainly men, it was because the roles of the female were primarily domestic, like most of the existence of the world. The Bible wasn't trying to break new ground as to sex roles; it was a mirror of its time. BTW Paul may have went to a few strip joints and smoked a few too many Galilee Proceba cigars and hung with the guys too much. Of course she's on the list. I only have a small list. It doesn't matter if a country is more "European', they are not so fundamentalist, and I say good for them! They are moving in the right direction. I never said Jesus was sexist. There are many example of people wanting to enforce the Laws Of Moses and stone women for adultery, but Jesus instead let the women go. As I have said previously the word of man is not without fault. I also believe it was a mirror of it's own time, which is why I have such a problem with people still making it so literal in the times now. It goes for other religions and their books of choice as well.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 3:44 PM

	Michael, "The Situation" Guy! Michael Rochester	And what happened to Benazir Bhutto? In Turkey, they are de facto "modern Islamic" due to their former leader Kemal Ataturk who abolished Islamic dress like the turban and burkah. That is not really a good example since Turkey resembles more a European nation than a Middle Eastern nation? The sexism in the Bible? Some of his disciples like St. Paul were indeed sexist, but they were letters not the word of Jesus, my opinion, and since the NT involved mainly men, it was because the roles of the female were primarily domestic, like most of the existence of the world. The Bible wasn't trying to break new ground as to sex roles; it was a mirror of its time. BTW Paul may have went to a few strip joints and smoked a few too many Galilee Proceba cigars and hung with the guys too much.   Posted by Michael, "The Situation" Guy! on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 12:14 PM

	S♥Ryder	To Michael: Women do have leadership roles in Islamic countries. These are only a few, but I have long lists of notes I could go through from my Islamic Anthro class, which has many more. Indonesia, the most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Megawati Sukarnoputri as president[5] Pakistan, the second most populous Muslim-majority country, twice (non-consecutively) elected Benazir Bhutto as prime minister[6] Bangladesh, the third most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Khaleda Zia[7] and Sheikh Hasina as prime ministers Turkey, the fifth most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Tansu Çiller as prime minister Also there are other examples of sexism in the Bible, do you need me to pull versus, or can you take my word? Believe me I have no problem finding other versus, they are plentiful. That's right Jesus was open minded about women, which is why I didn't mention him as not being so.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 9:48 PM

	S♥Ryder	I don't believe in abortion, I myself would never have one! However, I'm not for the government, or someone else taking the choices of others. I don't strive to be like Jesus, but to make him proud in my actions, not just what I say like most hypocritical Christians. "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" "ME ME ME ME!", it's pathetic! If more people tried to live in a way to make God proud, the world would be a better place. I know I'm far from perfect, nor claim to be. I fall every day, all God asks is that I get and try again. And so I will.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 9:33 PM

	Timothy	You strive to live as Christ, yet you stand with abortion.  How do you rationalize this?   Posted by Timothy on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 7:57 PM

	Sabrina Phillips	.."and I strive to live my life in a way in which he would be proud." There is nothing you can do to earn your salvation...if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus was God in the flesh, died on the cross and rose again in 3 days then you have already made Him proud by accepting Him into your life. We are not saved through works but by grace alone. You will never be like Jesus because Jesus is perfect and without flaw. God is perfect and without flaw so by saying that you think the Bible is flawed is to denounce God as being perfect.   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:35 PM

	Michael, "The Situation" Guy! Michael Rochester	Below: women having no leadership role versus Islam which says women can be beaten and are basically property? You base some of the Biblical sexism on one particular sexist, St. Paul, whereas Jesus was very open minded about women and had Mary Madeleine as a de facto disciple.   Posted by Michael, "The Situation" Guy! on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 12:21 AM

	S♥Ryder	First of all Timothy, I'm a moderate, not a lib. I'm aware that historical and cultural contexts plays a role, that it was I have been saying! The role of women in the Church is one of the biggest contradictions. In certain parts of the Bible it says how women shouldn't have any leadership roles, besides at home in the church. However then there are examples of women having power, such as Phoebe and even Mary M. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35) "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12). Yet Jesus openly taught women (specifically Mary M.) and encouraged them to spread the word of God. Oh and something else, the Bible does mention the killing/violence against others. Women/girls especially if they lost their virginity before married, or didn't do as their husband or father told them. As well as others for disobedience of people. Just because our Bible says that, doesn't mean it happens anymore. Maybe it's the same for the Quaran. Another problem is the translations. In different languages they have certain words that don't translate to another language, so the intent of what is being meant isn't translated correctly, giving a different connotation. Some interpret 1 Timothy 3:11 as referring to women deacons because the Greek word translated “wives” can also be translated “women.” Paul likely here refers not to deacons’ wives, but to the women who serve as deacons.     Posted by S♥Ryder on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 9:45 PM

	Sabrina Phillips	.."Out of everything I've said that's the only thing you mention? In claiming to be a Christian, as I do, the most basic principle is a belief in Jesus as the son of God. The role of women is one of the biggest contradictions in the Bible." You seem to like to pick and choose when it comes to the bible. How is the role of women a contradiction? The role of women in the bible is not embraced by our society today. Women are supposed to be keepers of the home and good mothers. Today, if you are a stay-at-home mom people basically look at you like your some loser or moocher. Why go with what society thinks? That's why I take the Bible literally because we're, as Christians, supposed to. We are told that we will be rejected by the world and that it's a GOOD thing. If you are embracing society more than you are embracing the word of God than that's your prerogative but it is also very risky.   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 8:24 PM

	Timothy	You ever consider context you dumb lib?  Historical context, cultural context etc. plays a role if you want to be preaching as though you understand the Bible.  Why don't you go to seminary school sweet pea?   Posted by Timothy on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 8:21 PM

	S♥Ryder	Out of everything I've said that's the only thing you mention? In claiming to be a Christian, as I do, the most basic principle is a belief in Jesus as the son of God. The role of women is one of the biggest contradictions in the Bible.   Posted by S♥Ryder on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 8:20 PM

	Sabrina Phillips	..So do you believe Jesus was God in the flesh or just a good teacher?   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 7:52 PM

	Elder Edward Orta Edward Orta	..The state of this great nation is in great pearl.  We have a liberal president and congress that is spending money we don't have and bringing us to the brink of bankruptcy.  These leaders may put us in so much debt that it will be impossible to get out.  They also don't seem to be willing to confront our enemies at home or abroad.  One of the few things this administration has done right has been keeping some of the Bush policies that have helped to keep us safe.   We also have an immigration problem that is a major drain on our economy and leaders that will not address any of these situations.  On top of that our economy is in the tank with housing foreclosures and houses that are worth less then whats owed.  We also have skyrocket unemployment and underemployment. What we need is a miracle from God, but this won't happen until we turn back to God and the roots of the great nation, a nation that was founded on Christian values and strong leadership.  God Help Us All.   Posted by Elder Edward Orta on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:41 PM [Reply to this]

	EurodanceAddict	Sabrina above: "Why go with what society thinks? That's why I take the Bible literally because we're, as Christians, supposed to. We are told that we will be rejected by the world and that it's a GOOD thing. If you are embracing society more than you are embracing the word of God than that's your prerogative but it is also very risky." Society for the most part DOES go by Biblical standards. The law is based off the ten commandments and even by your OWN past statements, you have said that there are more Christians in the US than anything else. So the majority of society is going by the Bible. My only objection to society is that too many stay thinking "inside the box" and live by the "rat race" rules. I am not a puppet or sheeple and that is TRUE liberty to object to those 2 modes of thinking.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:55 PM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	Bahahaha the Bible talks about idiots like you who choose to follow themselves because they think they know what's best for them. You have too much pride which is why you put so much confidence in yourself and not in God.   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 5:34 PM [Reply to this]

	Michael, "The Situation" Guy! Michael Rochester	You have too much pride which is why you put so much confidence in yourself and not in God. I would rather have confidence in Tiger Woods being faithful in a whorehouse than place faith in Urinedouche with anything!   Posted by Michael, "The Situation" Guy! on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:20 AM [Reply to this]

	EurodanceAddict	Sabrina, " choose to follow themselves because they think they know what's best for them." I don't follow just myself. My core values came from my mother whom is a Christian herself and she is traditional. My most adhered to value is treat others how you would expect to be treated. That's why I am equal rights across the board and it bothers me that you and half your minions namecall and its what started the battle between you and me. I have integrity to that and its why I fight you so hard (what you call obsession). If I am obsessed on trying to get you to see that unwarranted namecalling is wrong. so be it, I will proudly wear that label.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:19 AM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	....Everything you said is 100% true, Mr.Orta. Our nation is knee deep in addictions, indulgences and sin. The left wants to spoon feed their ideologies to us and reject the very principles that this nation was founded upon! They reject God, they reject our Constitution...where does that leave us? We are on a very dangerous path. As Christians, we are called on to be sober during these times and to watch and pray. This nation needs prayer. In the meantime, I'm keeping my eyes opened. God bless you sir and stay safe!   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:45 PM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	People like Patty Cake is like the Olympic protestors.  They are anarcists.   Posted by Timothy on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 3:46 PM [Reply to this]

	EurodanceAddict	Timothy, "They are anarcists." where do you get that? I support the law 100% and my fav show is "Cops". Anarchy would bring civil war inside the States either through class or racial warfare.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:18 AM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	Well Gib says he doesn't believe Ahmadinejad.  That is sooo comforting isn't it?  I just read an interview of former VP and Rush and he said that Barack looks at the homeland security as a nusance and a distraction from his main objectives which is changing domestic policies.  In other words we will get hit again. Ps. Libs don't give a rat's ass about those who want freedom.  All they care about is illegals rights to take advantage of our welfare, and the rights of bums to piss freely on our sidewalks, and to sleep in our parks.  Libs are simply a stupid lot, I've concluded.  They want to complain about my personal attacks too bad.  They are simply not worth talking to anymore.   Posted by Timothy on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:08 PM [Reply to this]

	Moshellie Michelle J.	..Most 'bums' have chronic problems that would require help to get over... abuse, mental illness, physical illness, etc. A hundred years ago you would be paying for medical and  psychological care for them in institutions. Now, you don't have to pay for that... you have to see them on a bench. Which would you rather? What is the solution?   Posted by Moshellie on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:08 AM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	Liberal policies and postering has released bums and misfits on to our streets and our children into the hands of predators.  I would much rather pay to keep them in mental institutes thankyou very much.   Posted by Timothy on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:12 PM [Reply to this]

	Moshellie Michelle J.	..That would mean tax funded medical care for all mentally ill and drug abusers... to get them better. Without appropriate care, the cycle will continue.   Posted by Moshellie on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:50 PM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	Forced rehab IS a public good I can go along with Mush.  Libs unfortunately would rather have more "medical" pot shops in our communities.  A "high" America is what they want.  More fucked up freaks the bettah.   Posted by Timothy on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 6:21 PM [Reply to this]

	Moshellie Michelle J.	..You think everyone who disagrees with you on politics is maliciously out to harm people and the country? Really? If you're okay with public funded rehab, why is it bad for the public to pay for an uninsured guy with a gunshot wound? How is one for the good of the people and the other not?   Posted by Moshellie on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 11:43 AM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	OMG.  A mentally derranged pervert is incapable and likely doesn't want to change, and the same for the drug addict.  It is like housing crimminals.  In a civil society, it the the duty, and the right for government to protect the innocent.  Taking over healthcare is not, and neither is taking over car companies, and the banks.  You want to use one instance to justify taking over everything....sorry but I vote N O.   Posted by Timothy on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 3:46 PM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	I agree with you! I just read an article where Gibbs completely dismisses the uranium claims from Ahmadinejad. *shakes head* You said a mouthful when you said they would rather focus on entitlement programs and how government can gain more power into our lives!!   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:10 PM [Reply to this]

	Sheryl Sheryl Helms	Well how about letting the underwear terrorist lawyer up after moving him from a military to a federal trial? Brilliant, huh?   Posted by Sheryl on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:23 PM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	..Unconstitutional, disgusting and outrageous are a few words that come to mind   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:24 PM [Reply to this]

	♥ Naomi™♥	There is No reasoning with that freaky little bitch ass prick Ahmanassface he is evil and he wants power! The sooner these tree hugging peace loving freaky libs realize that the sooner we can put that prick in his place!! They hate us and that isn't going to change!   Posted by ♥ Naomi™♥ on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:41 PM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	..I hates these two little dots that keep appearing at the beginning of my comments. I don't know how to get rid of them Anyway, let these libs try to work it out with Ahmadinejad and the Iranian regime, Naomi lol that should go over well!   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:37 PM [Reply to this]

	♥ Naomi™♥	Hmmm.....it's almost like a virus or something stupid Dots   Posted by ♥ Naomi™♥ on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 7:33 PM [Reply to this]

	The Tigress	Iranians want their freedom just like the Iraqi people wanted freedom also.  Opression breeds violence and hatred.  President Bush realized this, Obama doesn't.  Obama wants to bow and appease but he will be forced to change course very soon or we are going to witness another major catastrophy.  Let's face it, no one respects a coward unless- they have the mentality of a liberal.   Posted by The Tigress on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 6:50 PM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	The freedom Bush gave to the Iraqi people WILL bring forth good will, intell, and help spread freedom in the region.  He's going to be judged by history as a great president.  Obaama will be seen as Jimmy Carter's second term, and an ignoramus.   Posted by Timothy on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 8:21 PM [Reply to this]

	Sabrina Phillips	..I agree with you Timothy. My brother-in-law is a tank driver and commander in the army. He has been to Iraq twice and has told me how we needed to be there.  He says you could see progress from within that country just since we have been there! Schools have been established and protected, people have been given more rights....we do make a difference!   Posted by Sabrina Phillips on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:38 PM [Reply to this]

	EurodanceAddict	"Schools have been established and protected, people have been given more rights....we do make a difference!" until the US troops move out and a new civil war takes Iraq goes right BACK to Dictatorship.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 6:21 PM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	So you finally admit to being a racist Patty Cakes, lol.  Iraqis are incapable of living as free people is a typical liberal view.  Thanks for sharing what we already knew about YOU.   Posted by Timothy on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 11:44 AM [Reply to this]

	EurodanceAddict	Timothy. "So you finally admit to being a racist Patty Cakes, lol.  Iraqis are incapable of living as free people is a typical liberal view" actually I am the OPPOSITE of a racist because I ACCEPT that other cultures have their own beliefs. (They are RAISED to believe what they are taught). The reason they will go back to a dictatorship has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to live as a free people. Humans as a general rule live by "the path of least resistance". That means they welcome what is familiar to them instead of wanting change (like YOU Conservatives). Iraq has ALWAYS been a dictatorship and they were comfortable with that except that Saddam was a ruthless killer. All they needed was a NEW ruler, NOT a new system. We PUSHED democracy on them by silently manipulating (we will do all of these extra supportive things for you if you will switch to democracy). Going from Dictatorship to Democracy is the same as going from Windows To McIntosh operating system. Its harder though to switch a thousand year old system though.   Posted by EurodanceAddict on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 3:45 PM [Reply to this]

	Timothy	History will prove you dumb, and dead wrong Patty.  I do tire of arguing with fools.   Posted by Timothy on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:23 AM [Reply to this]

Timothy

WE NEED TO THANK GOD EVERY DAY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOUR BROTHER IN LAW!!   Posted by Timothy on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 7:57 PM [Reply to this]