Blogging about Politics, Passion Turns To Drama
Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 7, 2010 at 10:48PM CST
Blogging about politics has been a popular hobby to many for the past 10 years.
Passions run high when it comes to personal belief systems based off of our morals that we brought up with us from our childhood.
I spent 3 years debating the issues that I felt were pertinent to the overall "quality of life" and equal rights agendas.
We all bleed red, we all sleep, eat, need love, compassion and companionship.
When we become a nation that will only see those who are like ourselves and turn our noses up to those who are either different or less fortunate, we have already produced a split between our people before we even get into politics.
The partisan split today is more a resentful competition than it is a difference in ideas on how to make a better country for all.
The health care bill happens to be the center of the latest feud between party lines.
While most would agree that it's a hefty blow to our economy, we have to decide whether saving the lives of that 10% who were uninsured is worth it or not.
To say no is to endanger 10 out of every 100 peoples lives.
This is something that cannot be just swept under the carpet.
Ok,
enough about that and back to the purpose of my blog.
I came here to the Journal Times community after witnessing what I thought was unfair treatment to certain repliers to certain political blogs.
What I witnessed was "cyberbullying" of the very few liberals who are commenting here by the mass Republican groups who also comment.
"Cyber-bullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation." I decided to join and somewhat level the playing field by holding those guilty of this, responsible and pointed out their unfair commenting.
When a person writes a blog, they want a comment that is involving the content of that blog, not blanket statements, assumptions nor insults towards the author or other commenters.
Ad-Hominem is another form of insults such as using terms like "Naive", inexperienced, party line thrower, etc...
These terms do not address anything except the character of the replier it is pointed at, and serves no counterpoint to the point that was originally provided.
I was able to get those guilty, stirred up and they would comment that I was exactly what they themselves were guilty of.
Projection at its finest.
Drama blogging is defined as a blog which concerns a subject that isn't about anything except those who are involved within the blogs and the emotional consequences that result from it.
This blog TALKS about Drama and is a "commentary blog"
Negative terminology such as "Libtards, Tea Baggers, Tree Huggers" and any other derogatory name is not the best way to debate in a mature fashion and will serve to bring back negative rebuttals or no more exchanged ideas from the insulted party.
The reason for the 1st amendment, clearly, was for the exchange of ideas instead of muting the public.
The first guy I had a disagreement with on here sent a friend request within a few days and had conceded that even with differences, people can still be friends.
He is Conservative and I, Liberal.
I also have many Conservative friends on other social networks who I regularly debate with and its done in a relaxed state.
I laid down a challenge on one of the blogs in here to a Conservative that if he was a believer in God, I challenged him to disprove the scripture that I would present to him as being liberal and a socialist view of life in general.
The Bible is not about politics. It is Gods word and is the rules of life and his word is the greatest.
To the person I challenged, here is my presentation.
(it is a paste of my debate on another social network ,Timothy is another guy I was debating and my commentary is colored green, key points in the verses are in red):
Euro, the bible speaks on greed but never once, anywhere in the bible does it state removing temptation from pothers will save them. A tax is not charity given of free will, as a law is not a choice of godliness over greedy and sin. The bible also never states man is to live by minimal means and cast off wealth, but urges those with wealth to give freely, not be taxed into poverty. So again your argument is a bit flat trying to turn God against me.
A reward with a cap is not BE ALL YOU CAN BE. It is not LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM. It is a socialistic idea of shared wealth and social justice that has most of Europe and half of Asia reeling, with people rioting and picketing in the streets as society is burdened by high cost and the inability for socialism to sustain itself. This is history, and modern reality.
Andy
3:33 AM
Andy,
"
The Bible states that hostile questioners tried to trap Jesus into taking an explicit and dangerous stand on whether Jews should or should not pay taxes to the Roman occupation. They anticipated that Jesus would oppose the tax, for Luke’s Gospels explains their purpose was “to hand him over to the power and authority of the governor.”[3] The governor was Pilate, and he was the man responsible for the collecting of Rome's taxes in Judea. At first the questioners flattered Jesus by praising his integrity, impartiality and devotion to truth. Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews to pay the taxes demanded by Caesar. In the gospel of Mark, the additional, truly provocative question is asked, "Should we pay or shouldn't we?" [4] Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it. They answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.” His interrogators were flummoxed by this authoritative (though ambiguous) answer and left disappointed." Posted by Euro on October 31,2010-Sunday-12:20 AM
Here's some key points from the Bible:
"What does the Bible say about that since YOU brought it up?"
basically, man should not be judged by what he has in possessions.
Therefore, being snooty because you have more is wrong and immoral.
Possessions are not eternal.
Once again, this supports Timothy about not being forced to give.
This point is not contradicted in the Bible, so Timothy gains a very important point.
It is my view that people MUST want to give.
According to the bible, if it causes the giver any kind of distress, then it is not right to force them to give charity.
My passion makes me go against this verse.
.
You do not own yourself and so if God says that you must obey, you must, There are no "RIGHTS" or Constitution from God, You have the rules he laid down in the Bible and that is it. Period.
Same as above
If you are going to be rich, do NOT be snooty.
This part is the contradictory part going against the earlier verse that you only have to worry about your relatives. It says here you must love your neighbor as much as you love yourself, Therefore, you are obligated to help that neighbor if he is in need.
Those who gave to the needy will be rewarded on Judgement day.
Is there any other way to perceive all of the above passages than God being a socialistic leader? I don't see it, if there is.
Passions run high when it comes to personal belief systems based off of our morals that we brought up with us from our childhood.
I spent 3 years debating the issues that I felt were pertinent to the overall "quality of life" and equal rights agendas.
We all bleed red, we all sleep, eat, need love, compassion and companionship.
When we become a nation that will only see those who are like ourselves and turn our noses up to those who are either different or less fortunate, we have already produced a split between our people before we even get into politics.
The partisan split today is more a resentful competition than it is a difference in ideas on how to make a better country for all.
The health care bill happens to be the center of the latest feud between party lines.
While most would agree that it's a hefty blow to our economy, we have to decide whether saving the lives of that 10% who were uninsured is worth it or not.
To say no is to endanger 10 out of every 100 peoples lives.
This is something that cannot be just swept under the carpet.
Ok,
enough about that and back to the purpose of my blog.
I came here to the Journal Times community after witnessing what I thought was unfair treatment to certain repliers to certain political blogs.
What I witnessed was "cyberbullying" of the very few liberals who are commenting here by the mass Republican groups who also comment.
"Cyber-bullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation." I decided to join and somewhat level the playing field by holding those guilty of this, responsible and pointed out their unfair commenting.
When a person writes a blog, they want a comment that is involving the content of that blog, not blanket statements, assumptions nor insults towards the author or other commenters.
Ad-Hominem is another form of insults such as using terms like "Naive", inexperienced, party line thrower, etc...
These terms do not address anything except the character of the replier it is pointed at, and serves no counterpoint to the point that was originally provided.
I was able to get those guilty, stirred up and they would comment that I was exactly what they themselves were guilty of.
Projection at its finest.
Drama blogging is defined as a blog which concerns a subject that isn't about anything except those who are involved within the blogs and the emotional consequences that result from it.
This blog TALKS about Drama and is a "commentary blog"
Negative terminology such as "Libtards, Tea Baggers, Tree Huggers" and any other derogatory name is not the best way to debate in a mature fashion and will serve to bring back negative rebuttals or no more exchanged ideas from the insulted party.
The reason for the 1st amendment, clearly, was for the exchange of ideas instead of muting the public.
The first guy I had a disagreement with on here sent a friend request within a few days and had conceded that even with differences, people can still be friends.
He is Conservative and I, Liberal.
I also have many Conservative friends on other social networks who I regularly debate with and its done in a relaxed state.
I laid down a challenge on one of the blogs in here to a Conservative that if he was a believer in God, I challenged him to disprove the scripture that I would present to him as being liberal and a socialist view of life in general.
The Bible is not about politics. It is Gods word and is the rules of life and his word is the greatest.
To the person I challenged, here is my presentation.
(it is a paste of my debate on another social network ,Timothy is another guy I was debating and my commentary is colored green, key points in the verses are in red):
Euro, the bible speaks on greed but never once, anywhere in the bible does it state removing temptation from pothers will save them. A tax is not charity given of free will, as a law is not a choice of godliness over greedy and sin. The bible also never states man is to live by minimal means and cast off wealth, but urges those with wealth to give freely, not be taxed into poverty. So again your argument is a bit flat trying to turn God against me.
A reward with a cap is not BE ALL YOU CAN BE. It is not LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM. It is a socialistic idea of shared wealth and social justice that has most of Europe and half of Asia reeling, with people rioting and picketing in the streets as society is burdened by high cost and the inability for socialism to sustain itself. This is history, and modern reality.
Andy
3:33 AM
Andy,
"
"Render unto Caesar…" is the beginning of a phrase attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels, which reads in full, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”) (Matthew 22:21).
This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority. The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about whether it is desirable for the Christian to submit to earthly authority. Interpretations include the beliefs that:
A. It is good and appropriate to submit to the state when asked;
B. Spiritual demands supersede earthly demands, but do not abolish them;
C. The demands of the state are non-negotiable;
D. Spiritual authority should maintain its independence from temporal authority, which rules by force rather than moral law.
E. As everything belongs to God and nothing belongs to any man, including Caesar, then there is nothing to render unto Caesar.
Here's some key points from the Bible:
"What does the Bible say about that since YOU brought it up?"
Hebrews 13:5 ESV / 9 helpful votes
Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
1 Timothy 6:17 ESV / 7 helpful votes
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy.
Matthew 6:24 ESV / 6 helpful votes
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Philippians 4:19 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
Luke 21:1-4 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
Matthew 19:23 ESV / 4 helpful votes
And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven.
1 Timothy 6:6-10 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
2 Corinthians 8:9 ESV / 3 helpful votes
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.
Luke 12:13-21 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” But he said to him, “Man, who made me a judge or arbitrator over you?” And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ ...
basically, man should not be judged by what he has in possessions.
Therefore, being snooty because you have more is wrong and immoral.
Matthew 6:19-21 ESV / 3 helpful votes
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Possessions are not eternal.
1 Peter 1:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
1 Timothy 5:8 ESV / 2 helpful votes
But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Philippians 4:11 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content.
2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Once again, this supports Timothy about not being forced to give.
This point is not contradicted in the Bible, so Timothy gains a very important point.
It is my view that people MUST want to give.
According to the bible, if it causes the giver any kind of distress, then it is not right to force them to give charity.
My passion makes me go against this verse.
.
1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
You do not own yourself and so if God says that you must obey, you must, There are no "RIGHTS" or Constitution from God, You have the rules he laid down in the Bible and that is it. Period.
Romans 12:6-8 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
Romans 10:4 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Romans 3:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Same as above
Luke 18:9-14 ESV / 2 helpful votes
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
Luke 16:9 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.
If you are going to be rich, do NOT be snooty.
Luke 12:16-21 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ ...
Luke 10:25-28 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”
This part is the contradictory part going against the earlier verse that you only have to worry about your relatives. It says here you must love your neighbor as much as you love yourself, Therefore, you are obligated to help that neighbor if he is in need.
Matthew 25:31-46 ESV / 2 helpful votes
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ...
Those who gave to the needy will be rewarded on Judgement day.
Matthew 13:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes
As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.
Matthew 6:25-34 ESV / 2 helpful votes
“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ...
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 | Posted by: Lika on December 8, 2010 1:47AM CST *bows* Amen. Greed takes you nowhere. *ducks* *looks around* I've used the term #####, and made someone mad... OOPS! Ah. You guys know you all love me. :) |
 | Posted by: Deo on December 8, 2010 2:53AM CST No where in any of your quotes does it state that we are to give our money to the government to give to others. (Social Programs)! Please provide a Bible verse that states the Government is to redistrudite the wealth of the working to those that sit on their behinds! 2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. Next none of your quotes address those that do not follow the words of Christ to whom we are not abliged to give charity to but are to. "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Matthew 10:14. Is it your claim that someone who is having children out of wedlock and having children with several partners is living the word of God! Jesus commanded that we show Charity to Widows and Orphans, not to adulterers and fornacators! Well I am still here I guess your post didn't annihilate me! LOL |
 | Posted by: MC on December 8, 2010 1:39PM CST "While most would agree that it's a hefty blow to our economy, we have to decide whether saving the lives of that 10% who were uninsured is worth it or not." There is more bad then a 'hefty blow to to our economy" and the end does NOT justify the means! "I decided to join and somewhat level the playing field by holding those guilty of this, responsible and pointed out their unfair commenting." Excuse me, but we have had self appointed judge/jury/ proscutors on these blogs before. They end up causing more discourse then they do resolveing anything with their persumed rightiousness. Good luck with your effort. |
 | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 8, 2010 2:58PM CST Deo, "No where in any of your quotes does it state that we are to give our money to the government to give to others. (Social Programs)! Please provide a Bible verse that states the Government is to redistrudite the wealth of the working to those that sit on their behinds!" aside form the sitting on behinds which is not the issue here, the following story did fit: "At first the questioners flattered Jesus by praising his integrity, impartiality and devotion to truth. Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews to pay the taxes demanded by Caesar. In the gospel of Mark, the additional, truly provocative question is asked, "Should we pay or shouldn't we?" [4] Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it. They answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.” His interrogators were flummoxed by this authoritative (though ambiguous) answer and left disappointed." then you provided this: "2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat." once again, where was it ever said we were even talking about non working. Poor does not mean WILLINGLY not working. That's another blanket statement if you even ATTEMPT to make it. Poor people are working people too. "Is it your claim that someone who is having children out of wedlock and having children with several partners is living the word of God! Jesus commanded that we show Charity to Widows and Orphans, not to adulterers and fornacators!" where in the WORLD are you getting ANYTHING by me that is talking about fornication, etc....? This challenge had NOTHING to do with sex or being wed, it is ONLY about the right or wrong of redistribution of wealth and how Gods word supports it. This is not all either, there is many passages about every so many years, farmers were ordered to give away their entire farms to the poor and start over. Your defenses of blanket statements that the poor are not the working poor did not prevent you from being annihilated. You'll have to do MUCH better than that. |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 8, 2010 3:00PM CST Oh and by the way, that first part was to prove that part about giving to the Govt. Caesar WAS the Govt. |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 8, 2010 3:03PM CST MC, "There is more bad then a 'hefty blow to to our economy" and the end does NOT justify the means!" elaborate, and also, some moderation SHOULD be done in these blogs, so I disagree with your stance about that issue. |
| | Posted by: MC on December 8, 2010 4:40PM CST Euro - there are many 'bad' points to Obamacare which have been talked about over and over since it's inception. Eveybody knows them by now except apparently you. I am not going to write a 300 word explaination of all the issues just for you. Look them up. There is good reason why nearly 70% of Americans don't like it or want to keep it. "some moderation SHOULD be done in these blogs" Says who besides you? Sounds more like a personal vendetta. |
| | Posted by: Lika on December 8, 2010 4:48PM CST @Deo, honest question about the "Those not willing to work, let them not eat", you're NOT including disabled people who CAN'T work are you? I'm just wondering... I've come across some conservatives that won't even make that concession. There IS a difference between won't and can't work. |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 8, 2010 5:46PM CST MC, I am well versed on what all the Conservatives say is bad about the health care bill. Obama already agreed that some changes are going to be made because he hadn't even forseen the problems. One of those being the small business owner form that has to be filled out every time that business makes x amount of dollars per quarter. He says its too much red tape. The thing I keep hearing people cry about is private insurance companies being squeezed out. Until that happens, it is NOT socialized health care by definition. I think its a WONDERFUL thing to force pharmaceutical companies and health care providers to lower their prices. They only got away with it because medical care is a need and not a want. Its no different than utility companies overcharging out of popular demand except it is our LIVES that the medical business is screwing with. Capitalism is only good without GREED. This blog is an eloquent description as to why. Its ok to make enough to survive comfortably, but it is a sin to be greedy. As far as moderation, no, its not about vendetta. The conservatives on this site are tame puppy dogs in comparison to those I have spent the last 3 years debating. Thats why I may seem a bit harsh to others in here. I am practiced to go against the wolves. if people cannot self moderate, then yes, a moderator should be in here so EVERYBODY may comment without fear of wrongful humiliation etc... You know what I mean and that's why you are on my friends list. |
| | Posted by: Deo on December 9, 2010 1:12AM CST Lika - You have never run across a conservative that will tell you that we should not help the disabled. If anyone made that statement to you by that very statement they prove they are not what you said they were. Just so you know my wife is disabled and no I do not get any money from the Government! Euro - Again you are the one that has failed to support your point. Give on toCeasar has NOTHING to do with the Government taking the money I worked for and giving it to someone else and then trying to call it Charity, it is not. "if people cannot self moderate, then yes, a moderator should be in here so EVERYBODY may comment without fear of wrongful humiliation etc... You know what I mean and that's why you are on my friends list." MC you need to change your friends! :) Look everyone our SELF appointed Judge and Jury! My how Liberal of you! YOU know what is best and the rest of us had better get with YOUR program or you will hound us tilll we do! What a Pompous ###! It has become quite clear that when it comes to the Bible you only try to use it as a tool to support YOUR Ideals and you really know very LITTLE about the bible itself! Nor do you following the teaching of Christ! So quote away since they are nothing to you but a tool and not something you believe in or know anything about! Case in point! 1 Samuel 2 (New International Version, ©2010) 7 The LORD sends poverty and wealth; I thought Jesus was a Socialist and was for wealth distribution seems the book of Samuel says different! |
| | Posted by: Lika on December 9, 2010 2:14AM CST Deo, I've been in debates in other social network sites. There are two people and a couple of their cronies, who claim to be staunch conservatives that want to abolish any and all forms of the "distribution of wealth". These people have said they 100% disagree with any form of welfare for the poor, thinks public schools are unfair, and that social security should be abolished. When I asked them what about for disabled people who can't work, all they say is "redistribution of wealth is wrong". True story. I am not making this up. If your wife isn't getting SSD (and medicare), in my opinion, I think she ought to. Yes, even if it means my tax money is going to help pay for it. That's what it's there for, is to help out in those situations. |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 9, 2010 2:15AM CST "Euro - Again you are the one that has failed to support your point. Give on toCeasar has NOTHING "You know what I mean and that's why you are on my friends list. MC you need to change your friends! :)" so you think you have the right to tell MC who he should have as friends? "Look everyone our SELF appointed Judge and Jury! My how Liberal of you! YOU know what is best and the rest of us had better get with YOUR program or you will hound us tilll we do! What a Pompous ###!" YOU have been the pompous f.ckhea. since you decided to be a right wing sci fi gaming d.mbshi. You sound and act like a child who needs a good but.warming. "It has become quite clear that when it comes to the Bible you only try to use it as a tool to support YOUR Ideals and you really know very LITTLE about the bible itself!" you have NO IDEA what I do or dont know about the Bible. Oviously I know enough to get under YOUR skin. "Nor do you following the teaching of Christ! So quote away since they are nothing to you but a tool and not something you believe in or know anything about!" You also think you have the right to say I dont believe in God? F.ck Y.u "I thought Jesus was a Socialist and was for wealth distribution seems the book of Samuel says different!" seems you cherry pick from the Bible...I can show you all kinds of contradictions too. God said that if a man comes to your door....feed him. Thats socialist, you deserve to live under a bridge and starve, yourself to teach you some manners and empathy and get your head out of the sci fi shows Mr Armchair pseudo intellectual wannabe. |
| | Posted by: Lika on December 9, 2010 2:26AM CST Oh, and btw, here is a neat website, that God Himself is a socialist, even back in the Old Testament, while preaching the fire and brimstone... You may also find more links by typing "alms for the poor in the Bible" into your browser - http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 9, 2010 3:01AM CST Thank you Lika, and I will add more here to get it through his thick skull: Acts 20:35 ESV / 30 helpful votes In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Matthew 6:1-4 ESV / 23 helpful votes “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 19 helpful votes Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed. This next one is about "Jubilee" which is a well known story, Deo: Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV / 13 helpful votes “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’ Hebrews 13:16 ESV / 8 helpful votes Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God. Not Helpful Matthew 5:42 ESV / 7 helpful votes Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you. Not Helpful Luke 14:12-14 ESV / 5 helpful votes He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.” Are you seeing a common thread here yet Deo? GIVE TO THE POOR>>>>REDISTRIBUTE AND YOU SHALL BE REWARDED BY GOD!!!!! Had enough yet? I'm not done with you, heres more: Not Helpful Luke 6:38 ESV / 5 helpful votes Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” 1 John 3:17 ESV / 4 helpful votes But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Acts 2:44-45 ESV / 3 helpful votes And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. Not Helpful Luke 12:33-34 ESV / 3 helpful votes Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 19:21 ESV / 3 helpful votes Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” still with me Deo? You are already annihilated to a crisp, but I will keep going: Not Helpful Proverbs 29:7 ESV / 3 helpful votes A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge. Not Helpful Proverbs 22:9 ESV / 3 helpful votes Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor. Proverbs 14:31 ESV / 3 helpful votes Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him Not Helpful Deuteronomy 14:28-29 ESV / 2 helpful votes “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do. Not Helpful Leviticus 19:9-10 ESV / 2 helpful votes “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God. Acts 4:32-5:11 ESV / 1 helpful vote Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus and to put the nail in your coffin, Deo, here is the Jubilees cause: Meaning of Sabbatical and Jubilee Year The significance of the Sabbatical and Jubilee year is not limited to the rest of the land and rejuvenation of the soil. It is to remind us, as does the weekly Sabbath, that the Eternal is the Creator. Just as it took faith for Israelites not to farm on the Sabbatical and Jubilee years, so today it takes faith to trust Him for sustenance. Man is not the sole owner of the soil, and he does not hold property in perpetuity but only under the Almighty's trust, Leviticus 25:23. We own nothing by inherent right, for like the children of Israel, we were slaves in spiritual "Egypt," Deuteronomy 15:15. Out of gratitude to the Eternal for our liberation, we must extend liberty to our debtors and servants. The message here is that NOTHING is yours. It is Gods. We are his children and the reason for giving to the needy is to take care of Gods children. We are his temple in case you didnt know that. Its obvious you are just GREEDY and dont CARE about the poor and when judgement day comes, it will not be very pleasant for you and other Concervative extremists that are like you. Have a good day... :) |
| | Posted by: Deo on December 9, 2010 4:20AM CST Lika - Those that you have blogged with are nothing but greedy scum to not help the disabled is just wrong! No I will not take money from the government just because its there I take care of my family no one else as it should be! Euro - WOW Boy did I have you pegged! LMAO And here YOU ARE saying that this blog needs a "moderator" REALLY! So are you going to sensor yourself! LOL Whom is getting under whose skin? HeHe and here you were telling me how I will post! "YOU have been the pompous f.ckhea. since you decided to be a right wing sci fi gaming d.mbshi." Anyone understand him? SCI FI gaming d.mbshi NEVER RPG sure! LOL You also think you have the right to say I dont believe in God? F.ck Y.u Gee what does this mean, is he swearing? My what an upstanding Christian! "Its obvious you are just GREEDY and dont CARE about the poor and when judgement day comes, it will not be very pleasant for you and other Concervative extremists that are like you." Matthew 7 Judging Others 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Gee how is this going to work out for you HYPOCRITE! |
| | Posted by: MC on December 9, 2010 8:53AM CST There is nothing so boring as a blogger who argues his points by using Bible qoutes. The Bible is fact only thru faith. Arguing your point with Bible verses is an attempt to be indisputable, because God is always right and therefore can't be challenged. |
| | Posted by: MC on December 9, 2010 10:33AM CST "Its ok to make enough to survive comfortably, but it is a sin to be greedy" says euro. Ah, there it is. The liberal greed. One of the things that use to make the USA greater than all other countries was the individuals right to determine for himself what was 'enough' money to make or have. Now the liberal politicians feel those are their decisions to make for you. It's really none of their damm business.! |
| | Posted by: MC on December 9, 2010 11:04AM CST "Why do you always insist on fighting a losing battle?" You know euro, when Deo calls you arrogant he has a point. When you start saying f... y... to the bloggers here, I start rethinking whether I want to be know as your 'friend' anymore. Your 'monitoring' and correcting and judging on this blogosphere is getting out of hand and it is obviously not well accepted. Time to judge yourself. |
 | Posted by: algernon on December 9, 2010 12:09PM CST Good Grief!!!!!! |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 9, 2010 2:19PM CST Deo, "1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. " and that is the reason I came to this place to begin with, because YOU, MC, and several others were attacking only the Liberals in here. May I also remind you that you were the first one to namecall against me and Lika. You called me hack and then a pompous you know what. You also MISSED the point I was trying to make with the profanity. The point was that YES, this place DOES need a moderator. Both you and MC are so full of assumptions, that you thought I was trying to appoint myself that moderator. I already told you through my blog that I was out to "EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD" because you and your co-horts use "mob mentality" to gang up on others you don't agree with. Which was the CRUX of this blog: "cyber-bullying" You are doing WORSE than judging when you cyber bully other commenters. Neither one of you have conceded yet that people should self moderate after I brought that out in my blog. That appears to speak volumes about your character. Now for your last point Deo and your point as well MC.... The bible quotes point out that its GOD that judges, NOT me. And MC, I know exactly what you mean about using the Bible. There are agnostics and atheists out there so all of the passages would mean nothing to them. If you DO profess to be a Christian, there is no way to escape the passages that both Lika and I provided. The number was well over 50 passages in comparison to Deos 3 or 4 passages. I do believe the Bible is CLEAR about its intent to help others who are needy. The main idea here is that we are all Gods children and we are his temple. (our bodies) and by helping others, we are protecting "gods temple". Thats why we will be rewarded for doing that. Churches make this all too obvious when it is they who feed the poor with their soup kitchens and food pantries, they give out toys for Christmas, they help others who are members with outstanding bills that cant be afforded...etc.... To be Christian, is to be charitable. This is a fact, not an opinion. I will leave this blog up for another day to give you both time to respond and after that I will be taking it back down because Deo made it into a train wreck with his blanket statement comments. Its purpose has now been served and I proved my point that political blogging easily becomes a Drama when you have people who get personal because they don't like another's position. MC, keeping me as a friend is totally your prerogative. I will only say that if you let others manipulate you into what you should or shouldnt be doing as far as what friends you have, or IF you dont believe in Charity, it would probably be a good time to take me off your list. I have no time for greedy self loving scums. |
| | Posted by: eurodanceaddict2 on December 9, 2010 2:33PM CST "One of the things that use to make the USA greater than all other countries was the individuals right to determine for himself what was 'enough' money to make or have. " I'll take socialism OR Communism over greed, ANY day. Nobody has a right to think they are better than somebody else or deserves more. EVERYBODY is equal....PERIOD. |
| | Posted by: MC on December 9, 2010 3:18PM CST "MC, keeping me as a friend is totally your prerogative. I will only say that if you let others manipulate you into what you should or shouldnt be doing as far as what friends you have, or IF you dont believe in Charity, it would probably be a good time to take me off your list. I have no time for greedy self loving scums." You are really showing your real self now euro. Nobody is manipulating me. My deceision about being friends is based strictly on your actions. "I'll take socialism OR Communism over greed, ANY day. Nobody has a right to think they are better than somebody else or deserves more. EVERYBODY is equal....PERIOD." That is correct and they have equal opportunity to suceed(with an exception or two). When someone uses his opportunity better and makes more money that is his right as an American. It is called individualism and not found in socialist or communist countries. Maybe you should move to one of those countries where they will tell you how much money you can have if you are so upset with the American way of life. BTW, calling others names because you feel they called you one, is just about the most childish excuse you can use. If you were really principled about name calling, you wouldn't do it at all. "because you and your co-horts use "mob mentality" to gang up on others you don't agree with." There are many more on the 'right' then on the 'left' in these blogs. There is no 'mob mentallity', just disagreement going on here as it should. Crying mob mentallity is typical liberal squeal when others won't agree with them. Grow up. |
 | Posted by: Gray Kitty on December 9, 2010 3:40PM CST I don't know what's worse... Watching the guy nearly puking on sour milk in these ads that are popping up left and right or... reading this blog. Both equally repel me.... Sorry I opened this blog. It's ugly. |
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